by Sunday. Maybe she’ll come if it’s over. Nothing to protest.

As for the U.S. Might makes right, I guess.

:( Everyone knows that this war won't solve anything. We're spending billions of dollars on it too so our economy might not be doing so good. As for the Oscars, BOO! They're going to cancel it I think. This war freaks people out you know.

Our economy is in the tank.

The Iraqi war is a farce.

Anyone think item one...may have something to do with item two? Hahahaha.

For sure, Bush is gonna need a lotta new munitions...after today. Somma those bombs looked like nukes. Mushroom clouds...hell on earth.

That should help some sectors of the economy. Not enough of our war junk is getting used up. Just those funky helicopters, and how much can those things cost. I guess a lot of our equipment is breaking down on the road to Baghdad. Maybe we’re advancing to quickly?

Anyone think N. Korea’s next?



Edited for misspelling: 'farse' should be 'farce' :D ---zM

BC, you betcha. I think Bush Jr. will finish this 'war' to avenge a previous assassination attempt on Bush Sr. Then, it's the other member of the Axis of Evil. :(

I decided to create a war opinions thread to avoid contaminating other threads with this controversial topic.

Let's stay civil on this subject and realize others may have a contrary opinion to yours. If things degenerate into a shouting match, then a management perogative will be exercised.

...I really wish this war over. For some reason, people have been very, very pessimistic about life. I really believe that there's a sun shining out there, and it's smiling. But for some reason, the clouds---the hazy clouds of war are looming all over the world. And in one instant we have become so gloomy. :sigh:

In the affairs of men, war is a constant. Many of you are young, and I would suggest you get used to it. Count on it happening every 10 to 20 years or so, with the really big ones every 40 or 50 years.

It has always been thus.

Well, one thing is for sure....some football maches will be canceled or delyed...and that sucks. But, in this manner, i think the war will be over in a week or two, at most. Here, they didn't even mentioned about the Oscars (not to much at least), they only said about Saddam and how he loses the war...

Well I just came back from eating some cheeseburgers and "freedom fries." How stupid is that? haha stupid media!

The lady ordering in front of me asked for freedom fries. She had to repeat it to the cashier 3 times because he didn't know what the heck she was talking about. And the people sitting at the adjacent table were talking about their freedom fries and freedom toast or Canadian toast...:ohman:

Maybe I missed it, but I haven't heard any of 24 hour war channels mention who exactly we were freeing. We're just letting Bush free up a couple tons of armament.


I'd much rather eat my French fries thank you very much!
BTW, In & Out's "freedom fries" sucked! They were cold, small, and squishy. :laugh:




PLEASE STOP showing war coverage all the time! Or at least show it on 1 or 2 channels, not 20!

:( Yeah I think the war should stop too. I heard there were some injured Marines. On the bright side, one division of Iraqis surrendered. That won't stop Saddam from doing any other harm. I can't possibly think of the terrible things that might happen to the U.S. especially California. I don't think of the worst though. I just want the war to be over.

Yes I also want those news reporters to STOP making headlines of the same ol' thing over and over on about more than 20 channels. It's annoying. I missed my late show because of that.

The peace you enjoy today was fought for. Men had to die so you can enjoy it now. Peace just doesn't show up on the menu ala carte. Peace does not happen on its own. It is manufactured after enough lives have been lost.

60 years ago, there was something called World War Two. The main ingredient for peace then was 51 million dead. Had we not won it, most of the world would be speaking German and Japanese right now. China would be a suburb of Tokyo.

This is why peace is precious. It is not precious because you get to wallow in its benefits, it is precious because the blood of others paid for it.

Peace is a rarity. It is not a natural condition among men. To those who say war solves nothing, I would agree. It solves nothing except slavery, facism, nazism and tyranny.

If you are unwilling to fight for peace with blood, you don't deserve it and you won't get it. Marching around with peace signs will not get you peace. That is far too cheap a price to pay for something that valuable. That's like trying to buy a Mercedes Benz with a ten dollar bill. It takes blood, sweat and tears. That is the currency of peace. You do not get to own it. It is leased for a short period of time.

Two or three decades from now, guess what. You get to go again. Peace is what happens when we run out of ammo. It is the pause that refreshes. Enjoy it while it lasts, but don't even think about getting used to it. The next ism is right on the horizon.

war is in the nature of all all humans.
the only difference is scale, cost and awareness of action.

the reporting on this war has to be the worst to date.

where are all the tanks?

American military establishment is that only the folks that want to go...have to go. Hahaha. The finally got that part right.

The reason there isn’t much tank action is the enemy hasn’t got many tanks. Most of ours are hot-rodding it to Baghdad. Potting the occasional Benz on the way.

When this blows over...it’s gonna be fun to watch the video clips from the war-room. US hardware destroying arab junk. S Hussein’s dried head for sale on ebay.

I agree with most of the US's past wars/conflicts, but not this one. I see this as kind of like- Let's bomb the Soviet Union because 30 years from now they're going to be our enemy again.

I thought the military was supposed to live by a- "Don't fire until fired upon" motto.

American military doctrine requires that we take the fight to the enemy. To sit around waiting for something to happen is probably not wise. The threat today is terrorism, especially radical islamic terrorism that strikes without rules and is funded by Arab governments with an anti-american agenda.

When you combine unlimited oil money with a kill-every-american-you-see agenda, the natural response of the greatest military power in history is to go kick their ass, no matter who you are or where you live.

So, as you can plainly see, the United States is not going to sit around waiting for them to hit us first again. Any country that harbors terrorists is our enemy. Repeat, ANY COUNTRY. The United States is real good at tearing things down and building them back up.

You need only look at Germany and Japan, which we TOTALLY annhilated as threats 60 years ago. Today, they are vibrant and independent sovereign countries.

If you are unable to see the appalling threat of an islamic country detonating a nuclear bomb on US soil, than you will never understand what we are doing in Iraq and why we must win the war on terror.

Remember who started this. A guy named Osama. He killed 3,000 of your fellow countryman in a single afternoon and laughed about it afterwords.

I don't think he's laughing now.

PS. We don't need to bomb Russia. We won the cold war and they imploded from within.

Originally posted by Virgule
PS. We don't need to bomb Russia. We won the cold war and they imploded from within.

Thank God!

Seriously now, i think those people that are demonstrating in the streets for peace are stupid, ofcourse is their right, but they are stupid anyway. Everybody knew the war is inevitable (exept Chirac) and instead of incouraging the soldiers who risk their lives in the war and, more or less, fight for something wich is good, and that would be eliminating one more crazy dictator, they demonstrate against it. I'm not interested by the fact that at the end of the war the oilfields will fall into allied hands or that the oil is cheaper with 25% than a few days ago. I know how bad is to be under dictatorship and i bet the people from Iraq are tired to of this moron. Sometimes i think that a big part of those who demonstrate on the streets against this war should be deported to a country similar to Iraq and i bet that after a year they would want to fight against it with weapons to, because sometimes, weapons are the only policy for eliminating crazy people. Wars are bad and they mess up almost everything but i trust the american policy, weather is agressive or not because the american policy is the most efficient and the safest and because this policy is made by a democratic country, not by a comunist one...and this is not an advertising:D!

showing some spine.

I saw this newsclip of armed civilians trying to flush a downed British pilot out of the bushes around the Tigris River. Shooting into the bushes, then duking incase he shoots back.

Hey. Camel jockeys! We shot that one down for you!

Originally posted by Brainchild
Hey. Camel jockeys! We shot that one down for you!

LOL...

All those people gathered there like cattle and they gave an example of pure stupidity. I think they studied that bush a few hours before realising that the pilots waren't there...not that it was not logical.:grin:

Well, at least they got the chance to fire a little before surrendering...in water.

At least thusfar the iraqi media carries more credibility than america's.

Talking about the surrendering of the entire 51st division, so where are those 8,000 troops, where are those 200 tanks? Do you mind giving us a glimpse of that?

The iraqi said they held a few U.S. soldiers captive, and they have indeed shown the footage to the world.

Maybe many iraqis are loath of Saddam Hussein and longing for his regime to be toppled. But what if, some of them, say, a few millions will choose to fight to the end and pay the ultimate price for defending their country. What will happen to the american troops?
The iraqi army has already inflicted quite some casualties on the U.S. marines. And they are not even the elite republican guards!

Those civilians are not searching for pilots of the British tornado which was downed by a patriot missile. They are searching for the aircrews that were said to be shot down by iraqi anti-aircraft gunfires. Of course they know the tornado fighter jet was being hit near the border of iraq. They are not retards.

You're free to believe what you want to believe. And if you think the Iraqis are winning, you're free to believe that too.

If you think Iraqi state controlled coverage is telling the truth, you're free to believe in them as well. Of course, the Taliban were saying the same thing just before they fell.

Did i ever say that the iraqi is winning the battle?

I am just pointing out some facts and possibilities, and don't underestimate the havoc iraqis are capable of to wreak on U.S. troops.

Hasn't the U.S. media released some false informations? where is the surrendered 51st division?
State Controlled Coverage? I heard that the U.S. government prohibits any news medias to air the footage of the captured u.s. soldiers. Is that true? Have any of you seen the interview on t.v.?

According to the iraqi official source, they have just captured one fighter jet pilot, another one is still on the run. Of course we wouldn't know if it's just a propaganda on iraq's part, unless they air another interview with the captured pilot.

We are in the middle of the fog of war. Reports come and go, and everything that passes for information is simply rumor and half truthes. This applies to both sides.

Of course soldiers fight and die. Of course they get captured. Of course things go wrong. I would not however, categorize Iraqi reports as somehow superior and more accurate. That is not a leap of faith I care to make.

It is true that news reporters have said the Iraqi 51st Division had surrendered. That is not the official Pentagon stance on the topic. It was reported that the commanding general and his deputy of the 51st had surrendered. What happened to the rest of the troops in that Division is not known.

good evening all.

here is my contribution
i have presented this in note form, in an attempt to keep it simple.
the stories that have been created from my own notes are subject to intellectual license
so please excuse my ":unprofessional" scribing in this instance.

The media in no-doubt, is catering for all views and perspectives!
The ratings war is in full-swing....there will be winners and losers in the News industry.
There is alot of people who believe that the coalition is happily joy riding around on Tanks in Kuwait
and on the extreme of that, that the coalition has already covertly occupied Baghdad

War is declared within the peace movements!
With many trade unions or activists using the opportunity to present there own
The unfortunate problem created henceforth, is that the average person cannot get their point of view across
because the luxury/medium of street protest, is owned by those with their own personal agendas.

This must be the first war in which civilians are being considered!
Unfortunately, in warfare, to make such consideration presents an opportunity that must be exploited by a "smart defender"
why not use human shields? the people are more value to the invaders than they are to the Saddam regime

Crisis brings out the national traits, strengths and weaknesses!
i notice the Russians generally don't mind the war, they are very concerned about the loss of construction contracts
this concern has been pacified somewhat as the coalition forces are intent on preserving the economic infrastructure.
France also, are most concerned about economic effect on themselves, and do seem to "feel better" now their own contracts look likely to be fulfilled.
The French are known for bumbling and getting it wrong - its a national trait - one could venture to say, that the opposite to the French opinion, will be correct.
Besides, they would be quite happy to be involved if they could place a bomb on a defenceless peace boat and kill a peace activist or two.
China and Syria have both come to the fore with credible arguments for / against the war and specific points relating to it -
so in due respect, I will not discredit myself by tackling their broad but sensible considerations
Germany, always raising their fists, "war war", in the past, now have the embarrassing situation
that fate appears to be against them. Their army has been run down and become impotent
so their opinion, is not that there should not be a war, but not one at this time.

The people of Iraq win the war in the long run!
Once the Saddam regime is toppled, there will be a reconstruction of the economy
The Iraqi people will benefit long term with wealth, and investment.
If Saddams dream was to one day make Iraq a super power,
a respected nation with influence in world affairs
then this maybe the first step to a greater Iraq.

what remains to be witnessed is will Saddam take advantage of this?
and make the ultimate tactical move and step aside, to return another day?

RGR102 you're not going to see to many images with the U.S army or the British army having difficulties because it's about propaganda.

Hmm...even if in in Iraq it's legal to carry a weapon i tend to think that not all those so called civilians really are civillians. I think that even the americans said they are not. They are either soldiers or "security officers"....every dictatorship has these officers, and usualy they dress in civilian clothes and they observe how much the people "loves" their leader and if he sees something that, for him, can damage the dictator's image he reports that person wich is very likely to die or to be imprisoned.

And by the way Shannon, is that a song?:grin:

Ssra, in a dictatorship, every citizen is treated like a soldier by the authority. Every 'innocent' citizen should be treated with caution until he/she defects, surrenders or turns against authority.

I know that for sure because my country had a dictator for over 20 years until the people unseated him. Or, to be more precise, a handful of vested interests pursued the infamous president's ouster.

Originally posted by shannon
good evening all.

here is my contribution
i have presented this in note form, in an attempt to keep it simple.
the stories that have been created from my own notes are subject to intellectual license


they have entertainment/fashion journo's in HK covering the war as well????

that's a statement in itself.

BTW, Shannon, that was an excellent analysis on your part. Very mature. :D

Probably half of the nation disliked Bush since he came in office, and with the advent of the war his popularity has declined quite indeed. Now that the war is in effect, protesters both at home and abroad are raging on ever more passionately. They certainly have the right to do so, but to what outcome? If the Iraqis who support Saddam's regime have at all witnessed the ongoing chaos within the United States, they may well be enjoying the heated situation. The resolve of this nonsense can be initiated when people in the U.S. are able to draw their attention to the bigger picture of the current issue.

As of now, the focus of most individuals has been to voice strong feelings against the war. Surely, any person is entitled his own opinion. Yet, each person should be considerate of the degree to which they wish to express that opinion. Antiwar sentiments are only normal, but now that war has begun, continued participation in openly aggressive protests may serve to damage the image of the nation. Meanwhile, President Bush has no intention of backing away from the war at all, as he pointed out during his speech to the nation on the night when Baghdad was first hit. It is likely that President Bush is not using fully sound judgment in his decision, but no critic can effectively contest that he has good intentions. In other words, his purpose may be just, although the process for which he opted may be wrong.

Nevertheless, the stage is set in the world, and the people of the United States need to stand firmly together in face of this ordeal. Supporters who lend their voices already contribute in this issue. Dissidents, on the other hand, need not change their mind set. On the contrary, they need simply to lower their voices, and, rather than incessantly making stubborn and unrealistic demands for the war to be ceased immediately, ask, "How can I contribute to make this war as short-lived as possible?" and "How can I help my nation achieve its goal while minimizing the negative effects of the war?" When foreign nations realize that all of the U.S. is strongly affirming, "This is what we set out to do, this is what we believe is in best regards to and best interest for the world, and this is what we can achieve with your support," they might begin to take pride in lending our nation a helping hand. But so long as discordance within the country remains obvious to the world, the United States will truly stand alone in this (otherwise honorable) quest that is bound for failure and deception.

Originally posted by ziyimaniac
Ssra, in a dictatorship, every citizen is treated like a soldier by the authority.

Not necesarily.
But i don't wanna start a debait so i'll not say nothing more.

Almost the whole world hates the USA so we just need to do what we need to get things done and not worry about what everyone else thinks about us. People will hate the USA no matter if we do good things or bad things. We help a nation in need, they'll find a way to hate us for it. So Bush needs to stop wasting American lives to make us look better to the rest of the world. Everyone will hate us anyway no matter what we do, so let's do this the best we can and stop fooling around. Go into Iraq, get Saddam and his leaders, and get out of there. Stop fooling around and wasting American lives.

:hmmm: Even though the military is trying very hard at getting Saddam, there will have to be some casualties along the way. That's how it is. They took some of the Iraqi's when they surrendered but most of them are in Baghdad protecting Saddam.

I hope we end this war and he just gives up those weapons.

included...is a taste of blood in their mouths. The kind of blood that comes from smash-mouth battle. It’s one thing to talk about war, and another to fight one. Maybe our guys will feel a bit different about war after this action.

Those Marines are some tuff guys. Pretty soon they’ll be tuff and experienced.

I guess we can thank the Republican Guard for this.

I wonder if Allah is whipping up those sand storms?

They shold pay more attention olso, i mean, look at the Patriot incident or those two helicopters that colided. I don't know who's fault is it, but surely it's a stupid way to die, especialy that they went there to fight Saddam not to be killed by their own.

Originally posted by Brainchild
Those Marines are some tuff guys. Pretty soon they’ll be tuff and experienced.


the strict rules of engagament have given the Saddam supporters quite an advantage up until now.
these guys must have a "no-more mr nice guy" attitude.

maybe in a bizarre way, the road to bagdhad, has hardened them up for the "real battle"?

frightening to think that if the republician guard do deploy weapons of mass distruction against the colaition as predicted , it will be in full knowledge thier own people/families will also suffer the effects .

I got just one thing to say to the Republican Guard........ MOAB.....

PRESIDENT BUSH AGREES TO MORE INSPECTORS
(AP) Washington DC, March 19, 2003 9:00 AM

President George Bush has made an announcement that we will not attack Iraq. The President has announced that as of today, he is agreeing to additional inspectors to be deployed throughout the country of Iraq.

Hans Blix and the UN Security Council are permitted to observe the inspections as long as they are standing inside Saddam's main Presidential Palace during the inspection process.

We will be sending 280,000 additional inspectors into Iraq. The additional inspectors will include:

24,000 members of the 1st Infantry Division

15,000 members of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)

15,000 members of the 82d Airborne Division

More than 5,000 members of the 4th armored division with their "M1-A1 all-terrain vehicles"

Additional U.S. Army personnel, as needed for inspections.

A variety of U.S. Air Force personnel for aerial recon missions and other "surveillance" activities

A significant number of United States Marines to aid with inspections

United States Coast Guard personnel to inspect coastlines

An undisclosed number of Rangers, Green Berets, Navy SEALs, Recon Marines, Delta Force, and other Special Operations personnel to inspect Iraqi "hide-aways"

Special air delivered, very high speed disassembly devices to aid the inspections will be deposited by aircraft from the USS Constellation, USS George Washington, USS Abraham Lincoln and USS Enterprise.

The President stated: "With these additional inspectors, the inspections should be completed in a few short months."

:laugh: ahaha When I saw that title, I was like "I told you so!":D
Funny stuff.

The war is exposing our stupid side. We need to get this thing wrapped before we get stupified.

I say bomb Baghdad with food, bottled mineral water and dvd’s. Let them live like us for a while. Saddam won’t stand a chance.

He finnaly sends some reinforcements. I really don't know why he didn't do it earlier...money probably...anyway, i wish them luck.

75 billion U.S. Dollars. Personally, I wouldn’t buy bullits with that kind of JACK.
I ‘d buy food and medicine for everyone.

We don’t need their oil anymore...we can use these,

http://www.ziyifilms.com/zpost/data/500/19segway.jpg

the simple solution.

There's transportation of the future for you.

Clean and efficient...at least for those trips to the convenience store. :D

Originally posted by Brainchild

http://www.ziyifilms.com/zpost/data/500/19segway.jpg

the simple solution.

can you get two-people ones??????

The rider could always carry a passenger on his shoulders... :ohman:

to market on them. No foolin.

The dogs, chickens, pigs, and ducks follow along behind. Lunch, water and other consumables go in the trunk.

lol I remember when the media first starting talking about those. They made it sound so sophisticated. They were saying that when you think about going forward, it moves forward, when you think about stopping, it stops... I thought there was going to be some sort of hospital wires that would hook up to your brain so it gets brain waves directly from the source.

:laugh: :shake: Stupid media!


I don't think I've ever seen one of those in real life.:ohman:

Can you imagine an entire infantry division riding in on these things. :grin: I think the iraqi's would give up just to try it out. :cool:....far more impressive than a cruise missile.:D

an M1 Abrams tank uses 3 gallons of fuel to go 1 mile. The cost of one gallon of fuel is estimated at $400/delivered.

If you’re wondering why it cost so much to fight Saddam, that’s one reason. The costs go up from there. There are crew salaries, maintenance, and if it shoots anything, the costs escalate rapidly. Some tank munitions are really spendy. In a tank battle, a tank is expected to deliver fire for about 6 minutes.

The military is promising an aggressive program to curb spending for fuel...promising to increase efficiency by 300% in one year.

question: Indians and Pakistani’s are considered Asians. Are Iranians and Iraqi’s also considered Asians? What about Turks and Kurds?

A curious development out of Beijing, which I am at a loss to explain.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/east/03/30/sprj.irq.china.protests/index.html

PS, re: Asians

Asia is the largest of the continents with more than half the world's population. Though strictly speaking all of its inhabitants are Asians, in practice this term is applied almost exclusively to the peoples of East, Southeast, and South Asia as opposed to those of Southwest Asia, such as Arabs, Turks, Iranians, and Kurds, who are more usually designated Middle or Near Easterners.

Indonesians and Filipinos are properly termed Asian, since their island groups are considered part of the Asian continent, but not the Melanesians, Micronesians, and Polynesians of the central and southern Pacific, who are now often referred to collectively as Pacific Islanders.

Sometimes I call my friends "Minor Asians"...:laugh:

i'm a Cauc-asian:D

We take 10,000 Marines. Dress them up like Iraqi women. We then drop them into Baghdad by parachute. Because they will be wearing burkhas they will be undetectable. Under their robes they will have machine guns, grenades, and automatic pistols. Plenty of amo.

At the instant of attack, they will throw off their disguises and attack from within.

This could be the ultimate humiliation of the Iraqi forces. Defeat by transvestism.

The lone problem with your plan, JarJar, is that the Iraqi soldiers are also already dressed up as Iraqi women.

Maybe our burkas should be color coded - like red, white and blue........naaaaah, that won't work either, too much of a clue.

I wonder if Ziyi's designer friends could design the next generation burkah for the modern American/Iraqi female.

Maybe a number in pink chiffon, the Ferragama Burkah. Something that will wow them at the Iraqi Film Festival.

Something Peter Arnett can report on "Holy Shiite, what a drop-dead gorgeous outfit...whoever she is...."

Maybe a little daring. You know, show a little ankle....:grin:

BLACKHAWK DOWN so they’ll know how to defeat the technologically surperior infidel. Does this mean if we lose the battle for Baghdad, Saddam will get an academy award?

If they’re watching BLACKHAWK DOWN...Franks sould make our guys watch GUNGA DIN.

My transvestism plan has a lot of the essence of GUNGA DIN.

Perhaps Saddam should move to Mogadishu, rename it Baghdad and declare victory there.

Originally posted by Brainchild
BLACKHAWK DOWN so they’ll know how to defeat the technologically surperior infidel. Does this mean if we lose the battle for Baghdad, Saddam will get an academy award?

If they’re watching BLACKHAWK DOWN...Franks sould make our guys watch GUNGA DIN.

My transvestism plan has a lot of the essence of GUNGA DIN. hahahahahha :laugh:
ahahahhahahah :laugh:

.. your soo F*cking funny.. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

:kissface:

I think there is a more a practical ideea. The one thing that all people have in common is their love for the dollar. They should load 2 airplanes with dollars and dropp them into Baghdad. I think the war would be over in a few days.:ohman:

I think a MOAB full of moonpies would do just as well.....

I mean, come on, who can hate us (other than dentists) for showering a country with millions of moonpies. The Pentagon actually has a secret study that proves my point.

Moonpie Surrender ratio

one moonpie = 1 Iraqi platoon

twenty moonpies = 1x T-55 tank

three hundred moonpies = 1x Yemeni suicide bomber

four thousand moonpies = 1x Republican Guard Division

five million moonpies = Saddam Hussein himself

See, I told you, that's powerful stuff. As we speak, the Third Armored Division is about to unleash our secret moonpie brigade on Baghdad. Those poor people don't stand a chance. We own their molars.

LOL! I wish that could work. FWIW, at least we're handing out a lot of that humanitarian aid now and much more to come.

If we could get into Basra with that stuff it would help them a lot. I heard they've got water turned back on there now.

And in Baghdad, the Jordanians have been trying to get medicine into the hospitals there in Baghdad, but Saddam & friends are refusing to take it. They want more people to die so the coalition will get blamed.

Meanwhile, in an abandoned Ansar al Islam terrorist camp in northern Iraq, small amounts of the deadly Ricin and Botulinin Toxin were found by Special Ops forces recently. Extensive testing has confirmed this.

http://msnbc.com/news/895185.asp

in that room. Hussein is like the Pol Pot of the middle east.

Smiling all the way to hell. Does hell have a capital h?

I bet Hussein will love those moonpies :ohman:

The U.S. troops are already in Baghdad. Has anyone ever heard that Outkast song, "Bombs Over Baghdad"? That's not contraversial, is it? I don't think it is. I like the song. In fact, I have a remix of it and it's a LOT better than the original.

Is it just me or does it seem like most US deaths are caused by friendly fire, accidents, or mechanical failure? We're killing ourselves...

And I'm sorry to hear about David Bloom. I liked that guy.

It's simply a matter of probability. We have so much going on at once, so many troops in the field, so much equipment, bombing runs and munitions going off, yes, we are gonna have accidents.

Unfortunately, in war, an accident can get you dead.

Originally posted by SHADOW
Is it just me or does it seem like most US deaths are caused by friendly fire, accidents, or mechanical failure? We're killing ourselves...

Something like that, but it's happening from the beggining of the war. Ofcourse, there may be something else we don't know and i'm reffering to that russian equipment that the americans said the iraqis posses, or possesed. From what i know, every Coalition machinery has a certain signal wich, a Patriot for example, would have no problem in recognize it. So it is possible that those russian things could have been used to trick the missels or a jet's radar and ofcourse they fired, beliving to be enemy troops.

After the Patritot incident i think the infantry olso got something that spread a certain signal wich would have been recognized by the allied forces.

are jointly occupying Baghdad with what’s left of the Iraqi army.

I love the rhetoric of the the Iraqi Minister of dis-Information. It would be so funny if in the middle of his daily rant...a couple of Marines came in and busted him on camera.

What a numskull!

God, we’re mowing down a lot of civilians. One wonders if these folks will be able to get their arms around anything as complicated as freedom.

That minister has become something like a comedian. Me and my parents are now anxious to see him and hear what he has to say and ofcourse prepare ourself for a good laughter.

I think those civilians are in fact security officers dressed in civilians...ofcourse there may be some civilians to.
Why every dictator dresses security officers in civilians clothes? Here they did the same thing and you would have seen civilians shooting in other civilians...

By the way, i think he's palaces are of bad taste.

Ding Dong, the witch is dead, witch is dead, the witch is dead, Ding Dong, the wicked witch is deeeaaad!

I was watching them try to take down the statue. At first they tried making a human tower... no one got up. Then they got a ladder and some rope and got up. Then they tied a noose around its neck. I don't really know why...maybe to climb up, because they sure as heck weren't all gonna pull it down. haha

Then they got a sledge hammer and started pounding away at the base. There was this really huge, buff guy. Really huge! He pounded away a couple times and let the skinny guys go at it. Then a kid tried swinging the hammer. I was laughing because he could barely swing it. Even some of the men could barely swing it. They should have let the big guy take down the statue single handedly haha!

How did they finally get it down? I had to go to school and only saw some clips. There was a crane or something...:confused:

I was hoping they would shoot the statue with one of those Abrams. :D

or missing?

Originally posted by Brainchild
or missing?

JarJar, he's DNA......

I hope that Saddam is really dead so that those Iraqui people got their freedom and that country's back, that its belong to them ... Watching them in the news Today... Remind me in the Phillipines When Marcos Fleed the country and go to Hawaii until Marcos died... I know exactly how it feel when you get your freedom back and the dictators lose his power ! ....

I hope he's dead too. And if not, we need to continue to go after him. Wherever he may be. It ain't over yet. There will be more fighting to do for however long it takes, and in the meantime, we definitely need to get food, water and medicine into Baghdad and throughout the country ASAP! I think that's another reason we took the Baghdad airport last week.

We'll also need to keep the terrorists from Syria and Iran from sneaking across the borders and interfering with the reconstruction.

Still more work to do, but the fat lady is backstage warming up.

we’ll be over there for a long time.

For the future, I hope America does a better job choosing leaders (which often later become corrupt and have to be removed). Other countries, not just in the Middle East, but all around the world will resent the world imperialism of America, even if she has good intentions in policing the world. As a child, I hear a myth of these gods who saved the humans from tryanny and while the mission was just, the people were angry. A line in that story says "While we saved them and should do so, they never asked us to do it." For some reason, that myth reminds me of this conflict. I hope that America does not spread herself too thin too quickly. Other conflicts are on the horizon, some I fear make this current one look like small potatoes.

I think the hardest part has began and i'm reffering to reconstruction. It needs alot of money, time and strong nerves.

mines.

We should send my mom over there. She’d have that place sqared away by last Saturday.

I noticed something, after the Russians the French,and the germans talkedabout how all Bush wanted to go to war for was Iraqi oil(which I kind of agree with). All of a sudden ,after the
major fighting is over, they start fighting over portions of the oil. Uhm, wasn't it the Iraqi peoples oil to start with, wasn't this were all the arguing started.(AARGRGHH:splat: )

Okay, I'll be the first person to say, I don't like war, but, I have four of my friends from high school over in Kuwait and Iraq right now as I write this. So for people to go on sidewalks and carry signs around, it gets on my nerves just alittle bit.
I am sorry if I have offended anybody in any way, but I had to get that off my chest.

MOMD?

Suicide vests? How come they didn’t get used? Poor Hans Blix.

Originally posted by RobReed
Okay, I'll be the first person to say, I don't like war, but, I have four of my friends from high school over in Kuwait and Iraq right now as I write this. So for people to go on sidewalks and carry signs around, it gets on my nerves just alittle bit.

I agree with you and i don't have anybody there and i'm not even an american...

Thank you ss'ra, I was afraid I would end up in some kind of argument.
I mean,I don't like that we went to war, but as an American, it is my duty to support the troops out there.(I've always thought Bush was a bonehead anyway)

til it’s over.

Somebody still needs to get the message.

how come hollywood has not given this guy a TV show or something

he won the 'entertainment" section hands down.

Oh man, that's funny. I have it on good authority that if this guy ever surfaces, he is guaranteed to get the following:

A book deal

A movie deal

A movie of the week deal

A BurgerKing doll deal

A Las Vegas act deal

His own Pizza named after him

His own Taco named after him

12 weeks hosting Saturday Night Live

Ari Fleischer's job

So I don't know what he's hiding for. He could make a mint in the west. If nothing else, he can start a restaurant chain in Ohio - Sahaf's Roasted Stomachs On The Grill

I think I just saw him open his own 7-11 Store here in New jersey.. I went in to pay for my coke and he ask me
... "Do you want to buy a lottery ticket?"





:hmmm:

Bushy better find som weapons of mass disstruction soon.

Starting to look like he was pulling the long bow...just a bit.

Too bad about the Husseins...but it couldn’t have happened to a better regime.

Several Iraqi scientists have already stated that Saddam ordered all that crap destroyed a week before we went in. We won't find any now, it's too late. What we do have is everything else but the stuff itself. We have their WMD scientists, the labs, both mobile and stationary and the proof he used them in the past. These things are just as much a threat to us as the weapons themselves. The capacity to build WMDs is as bad as the weapons themselves.

The fact that Saddam destroyed them all a few days before we invaded explains why he didn't use them against us. That doesn't mean they didn't have a weapons program. Even Blix admits to that. Our justification remains, even though our timing may be off.

What remains unsaid is that we may have known he destroyed them just before we invaded. We are either very lucky or very clever or both.

Bush even has Clinton on his side for this issue. It is just a rallying point for the left at this state. They need to bring Bush down somehow. So they will exploit our inability to find these weapons.

“What remains unsaid is that we may have known he destroyed them just before we invaded. We are either very lucky or very clever or both.“

Or we made an honest mistake...hehe.

My point is, it don’t matter unless Bush starts hammering on countries like Canada and Sweden. That’s not likely, I think...unless Bush decides they’ve been taken over by aliens or something.

The Saddams of the world need to get their heads outta their ass. Bush has the big stick...and he’s self-righteous enough to swing it.

Look out knucklehead leaders of the world. We’re looking at you.

The only weapon of mass destruction Canada has is Toronto and the only thing we know of that Sweden had is Bjorn Borg. So yeah, we're probably not going to invade, unless we see one more Best of ABBA CD and then the gloves are off.

ABBA is nice...

The Saddams of the world need to get their heads outta their ass. Bush has the big stick...and he’s self-righteous enough to swing it.

You hit it right there. That is probably the central reason for the Iraq war. It is a nice gesture to that madman in North Korea that is for sure.

his head waaaay up there...past his Adam’s apple.

Except for the sad shape of his peope...he’s almost Asian comic relief.

He too is history, he just doesn't know it yet.

all he has for export is confusion, hunger, and poverty.

Maybe we’ll wait till his people get REALLY hungry.

Damn you Iraqis!!! READ MY LIPS!!! IT’S OVER!!!

Lay down your arms and start to live!!!.

NO MORE RPGs!!!

IT’S OVER!!!!

attack us here at home anymore. Too scary.

Last time they did...we anhilated two whole Arab countries. Granted, they weren’t very important countries, but if they continue screwing around...we’ll take out a big one.

I bet we end up pulling out of Iraq.

Of course we're going to pull out of Iraq and Afghantown. Just like we pulled out of Germany and Japan. But our influence remains forever. We have no visions of empire in the middle east. Too damned dangerous.

What's really funny is that Osama baby thinks he's winning. HarHarHar. What an idiot.

we can be VERY dangerous. We like to kick ass.

We may not be able to build a nation over there...but we can scatter the sand around.

Actually we do want to build an empire over there. It is called McDonalds, Coca Cola, etc.

Well, I guess we conquered China, Russia, and heck, all of Asia and the entire sub-continent of Australia and Africa already. Did you know we sell more Buicks in China than all of California?

I think Osama baby is just ticked because he can't get a Big Mac within 200 miles of that cave he's living in.

The donkey drops dead each time he heads out for some fast food.....

He can't get HBO worth a damn on those rabbit ears and the battery in his watch died two years ago.

Life in the slow lane is a bitch while your waiting for the repo-man to find you .....

off-shore.

Once a month we could lob some ordinance in there to remind them who they are, and who we are.

Be cheaper in terms of American lives. They’re not going to get the democracy thing anyway. Waste of time.

We’re not gonna get the oil anyway. Leave it in the ground. If they come over here making trouble...take out a couple more of their faux-governments.

Originally posted by Virgule
I think Osama baby is just ticked because he can't get a Big Mac within 200 miles of that cave he's living in.
They can get KFC with some mashpotatos and gravey to be delivered at their cave..

I think they can make extra cash if they import Seven-11 minimart.. Just think, every corner you can buy some lottery tickets..

what I can see...they don’t have any corners.

(Gary Moore) out in the fields

It doesn't matter
if you're wrong or if you're right.
It makes no difference
if you're black or if you're white.

All men are equal
till the victory is won.
No colour or religion
ever stopped the bullet from a gun.

Out in the fields.
The fighting has begun.
Out on the streets.
They're falling one by one.
Out from the skies.
A thousand more will die each day.
Death is just a heartbeat away.

It doesn't matter
if you're left or to the right.
Don't try to hide behind the cause,
they want to fight.

There'll be no prisoners taken
when the day is done.
No flag, no uniform
ever stopped the bullet from a gun.

Out in the fields.
The fighting has begun.
Out on the streets.

They're falling one by one.
Out from the skies.
A thousand more will die each day.
Death is just a heartbeat away.

There's no communication,
noone to take the blame.
The cries of every nation,
they're falling on deaf ears again.

Out in the fields.
Out in the fields.
They're falling one by one.
Out in the fields.
No flag has ever stopped
the bullet from a gun.

Death is just a heartbeat away.
Out in the fields.
A heartbeat away.
Out in the fields.
Death is just a heartbeat away.
Out in the fields.
A heartbeat away.
Out in the fields.

In the fields.
The fighting has begun.
Out on the streets.
They're falling one by one.
Out from the skies.
A thousand more will die each day.

OUT!

them unless we destroy them, that’s not fair...so we should leave and just try to buy their oil.

We got enough revenge, and there are no WOMD. We turned out to be the WOMD in Iraq.

If we left that place would turn to utter chaos. Come on man don't be so naive.

What really pisses me off is these idiots who keep attacking our soldiers. They lack common sense. What the hell government do they think they could set up if we just left tomorrow? If they hate us, fine, but the more they attack us, the longer we will be there. F*cking idiots. If they wanted to get rid of us they would be better off to stop shooting and go along with the process. Ultimately, the country will be theirs, one way is bloodless and quicker, thats the one that people with common sense would choose.

only in a couple of places. What I see on the news is everyone who visits Baghdad...is wearing bullitproof vests. Hahahaha. Very stylish. Not very funny, though.

I don’t give a damn about chaos over there. We can’t fix it, so we shouldn’t be there getting bumped off in 2’s and 3’s. Screw the pride...buy the oil.

I think you are missing a key point. If we just pack up and leave now, that place will be chaos. But how does that effect you and me you say? Well, usually terrorist groups thrive in countries where governments are weak. If we just left Iraq now, we will have just created a terrorist state.

Totally agree. The reason we're in Iraq is fundamental to the strategy of bringing the fight to the enemy. Believe it or not, it is much better to take 3 or 4 casualties a week over there than 3,000 in one shot over here.

To be cynical about it however, if Osama Baby did kill another 5,000 of us over here, than Iran is as good as next on the Pentagon dance card.

Just to remind everyone, of the 87 billion that President Bush wants, only 20 billion of it is for rebuilding Iraqi infrastructure. The rest? You guessed it. The military. After all, we have to reload.....

BUT IT’S MORE LIKE 12 TO 15 PER WEEK...AND MORE ON A BAD WEEK!

And for what? We can’t just bestow democracy on those bozos. Democracy is something they have to want...and earn. They don’t want it...they don’t understand it...and for sure...they are not gonna pay for it.

If you’re worried about them getting too rowdy...lurk offshore and pound them occasionally with tomahawks. We are sitting ducks now.

I say leave them be. We can convert our cars to bio-diesel. Salad oil is the future.

Oregon is sending 700 National Guard troops to Iraq for 1 year.

At 2 to 3 dead per day...that’s the last we’ll see of them. They look so eager to go. Wives crying. Children crying.

Sending men and women to their death. Sayonara.

You kinda left out of your abbreviated equation, the other 140,000 already over there.

You also forgot that in a war, people die. You also forgot that in New York, 700 people die in the drug war every 4 months as well. 700 smokers die in the tobacco war every 2 weeks. 700 drivers die in car wars every 7 days.

700 people die changing light bulbs in the household maintenance war every year. With all these people dying on a regular basis in every sort of war you can imagine, what's another 700 Oregonians in Iraq?

Death happens. Even yours eventually. Get used to it.

As Mel Gibson said in Braveheart - All men die, but not all men live.

guys. Kill’em all. There’s always more where they came from. If we run out...we can make more.

I think it’s always the breakfast scoffing pappas driving policy and serving as the chief apologists. They don’t have to go over there and do it.

life probably isn’t a paragraph
and death, I think, is no parenthesis (Thanks to the late E.E. Cummings.)

Me thinks most of them will return, mostly with an appreciation of how little they are appreciated.

Of course nothing will be fixed. Of course everything will break down when we leave. Those jerks are like that anyhow. Basically, uncivilized theocrats who sleep on their knives and beat their wives. They like it that way. So let it be written...so let it be done.

I would much rather fight these idiots from safely off-shore with trick weapons.

They can have their oil.

Don't count on it. We are there easily through next year.

No matter how you stood before going to war, it doesn't matter, we are there now, and we cannot lose. By leaving too early we will just have created a terrorist state. Everything and anything needs to be done to make a democracy out of Iraq.

Granted, the odds are stacked for failure. In the history of US military interventions, not once has a democracy come out of the country that was being meddled with. I am not counting WW2. Oh ya, add to that the fact that the majority of middle eastern people have not figured out the difference between religion and government. If and when in the next 1000 years that they make this distinction, will they even begin to catch up to western society.

Bush. He wants to hand over power in 6 months. I think it’s absurd...but I enthusiastically agree with his timeline. I’d do it tomorrow.

IMO, we're gonna have military bases there until the end of time. There is just no way we're gonna give that up as long as there is a single nuclear reactor in Iran. Strategically, Iran is in a pincer between us in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is in our long term interests if we ever have to take out that place as well.

The whole point of handing power over to the Iraqis is so that they can deal with the terrorists in their own country as harshly as they want. We're already resigned to the fact that it will be a muslim state, no doubt about it, but we're hoping for a Turkish model to take root. 87 billion buys us enough corruption to make sure the new Iraqi government will use every means at its disposal - including Saddam-style internal state security - to stay in power and keep Iraq sweet.

Taking out Iraq was always the means for driving a dagger into the Islamic Crescent. Pundits have always said the invasion would be "de-stabilizing" to the region. Of course it is! That's the whole point! It's in US interest to de-stabilize the Crescent as much as possible, which is what we've done.

One Bush with a monkeywrench and the entire place is screwed to high heaven. We now have overflights to our hearts content and can map out every alley in Tehran. No one can stop us as long as chaos reigns. The war on terror is ALL about controlling and inflicting chaos. You shake the tree and see what rotten apples fall to the ground. Those you squash. Of course a few of those rotten apples are capable of inflicting their own brand of chaos on us as well.

Stability is the last thing you want in the middle of a war. The wheels need to keep churning and grinding up rabble so that force can be applied. Pentagon newspeak for war is - "the controlled application of force" - which is quite an understatement. Islamic extremists need to stay concentrated on "kicking" us out of the Crescent. Yeah right. A bit late for that. We're not leaving until all the rotten apples are out of the tree and sufficent force has been applied to make applesauce.

They are so pissed that we're in their back yard. TOUGH! You've got Osama Baby to thank for that. Leave? We're not done grinding the apples yet.

They defeated the FLN in Algeria. What they had to do to win that war was so ugly, when the French found out...it toppled the governent and cost the French Algeria anyway.

If you care to know what it will take to defeat terrorism...take a look at that war. When I hear America has the will to win that kind of war...it pulls an uneasy chuckle out of me. The Americans I know couldn’t do that.

We can change.

Right or wrong...
http://www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=1483260750

You can't convince me the French have ever won any war since the Napleonic era, and he was Corsican. It was De Galle who caved to the FLN and gave Algeria independence in '58. The FLN had already been crushed a year earlier.

Only in France is political appeasement called "victory".

Much of our political though has it’s seeds in the rich soil of French history.

I know they don’t agree with on our middle east policy...but they have about a thousand years experience dealing with Muslim thinking.

They stand behind us when we’re right. They try to counsel us when we err. We don’t have to listen...and we don’t. That doesn’t make them enemies.

Their Foreign Legion was a decent 20th century fighting force.

Okay, I'll admit the French have been pivotal in our evolution as a world power. But much of the anti-french sentiment now-a-days has little to do with any appreciation for good-natured advice than it has to do with the perception that they just don't like us.

To which our response is - the feeling is mutual.

less awful.

They should get a prize for that.

The only folks out there who like us...is us. Great Britain...but nobody likes them either...or the Russians.

If an airliner had reduced their precious Eiffel Tower to a smoldering heap of rubbish, I wonder what the French response would have been -

Pick One
1.) We Surrender. You can walk all over us at will.
2.) Yes, but they'll never attack our excellent cheeses!
3.) We are outraged! Help us America - for the 3rd time!
4.) This is all America's fault. Blame Ronald Reagan!
5.) We must try to understand the Al Quaida rage!
6.) Sacre Bleu. We are going to pound their ass to stardust.

Somehow, #6 does not seem feasible or likely, nes pas?

forest.

They could take out the Eiffel Tower anytime they wanted. They haven’t taken out The Leaning Tower of Pizza, (haha) either. Or the Vatican, or the Arch ’d Triumphe either...nor have they stormed the Great Wall. They, for some reason, resent us enough to jump in our shit.

They love to pick on us...and their favorite place is NY.

Look! I don’t like those guys. Not even a little. I don’t like my guys sitting like ducks on a pond. We are not doing anything right over there. Those guys are dangerous enough to raise hell.

We should do it right...or we shouldn’t mess around there.

The French have already publically surrendered to the extremists by doing everything possible to help them and tick us off. That's why their precious monuments are still standing.

60 years ago, it was called Nazi collaboration. Do anything to not piss them off. They are not our enemies, just adversaries of convenience. They are our temporary guests who love our fine wines and our great cheeses! Let's not piss them off or they'll spit on our sidewalks!

Al Quaida runs French foreign policy - not those cowards in Paris. Osama says jump and guess what the French do. Ask how high.

I feel sad about this war still going on. Every day in Iraq U.S soldier still dying in other countries to protect them,but no one is protecting U.S. soldiers...

FBI motor pool? Worried about the price of gas?

They don’t have all the oil, you know!

If this is all about oil, we would have toppled the Saudi government years ago at far less cost. The price of oil is governed by OPEC, which in turn adjusts price to world market conditions.

The FBI motorpool has all the gas it needs, although there is a serious shortage of anti-french bumper stickers.

whilst the your inner virgule wants to bring the boys and girls home and leave the fight’n to the high-tech boys.

Burn the damn oil. We can walk.

We actually have fallen into the no-win trap of urban guerrilla warfare, which the television generals had warned us about just before we entered Baghdad. That place is now indeed a deathtrap.

So okay, I'm with you. Reduce our troop exposure, circle the wagons, get out of the cities but not out of Iraq and high tech them into oblivion from afar. Sending out small troop detachments everyday to scout out the best Walmart locations is a total waste of time, money and lives.

If i were commander-in-chief, I'd offer one billion dollars for Saddams head. He'd be in a hat box in 15 minutes.

didn’t happen and we lost the hearts of the people.

They wanna be with the winner and they don’t think we’re gonna win. Most people wanna be on the winning side. It’s probably healthier over there.

Well, there probably has never been a better time for China to make threats at Taiwan and actually follow through. That is, with the US being in a war with Iraq and no end in near sight. These guys are playing hardball. Neither side looks like it will back down and this could lead to big trouble. Big trouble in big China. Except, no Kurt Russell to save the day this time.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031119/ap_on_re_as/china_taiwan_5

The Taiwan issue has no good ending. PRC will probably wage a trade war with them in a few years and totally cripple their economy. They will win without firing a shot. Big China will simply own Taiwan, and that's the end of it.

A hot war would be a poor choice. The US is bound to get involved at a minimal level of non-troop committments - mainly weaponry. Lots of destruction on both sides of the straits, with Taiwan having a lot more to lose and Big China losing a lot of commercial equity and good will. Taipei would fit in a hat box by the time it's over.

No one wants a shooting war. PRC should wait it out. Their economy will eventually dwarf Taiwans, and it will all be over except for the selling.

Taiwan is behaving provocatively with these independence pronouncements. To what end other than immediate political expediency at the cost of pissing Beijing off? Quite stupid, actually. Taiwan is betting all its marbles that the US will defend them at any cost. That is a tad presumptious.

We are already pulling our troops away from the Korean DMZ to other in-country locations. Not because we're afraid of North Korea pulling a fast one, but as a signal to South Korea that we will only defend them with our own blood so far. It's their country to defend. We've had our fill of anti-US demonstrations in Seoul. Don't like the way we do it? Do it yourself! Last we looked, I didn't see any South Korean forces in Iraq helping us out!

Now that the South Koreans are aware of that fact, the demonstrations aren't quite as vocal or vociferous anymore. Taiwan also needs to understand the outer limits of our willingness to project power. If it ever gets down to a shooting war, Taiwan will be doing most of the bleeding - not us. They too have failed to help us in Iraq.

of the forces that keep the two Chinas apart? I know I’m not conversant with the situation. I would think both have changed from the times that created the current political posture.

I would like to see the Chinas united...also the Koreas, but I don’t live there and certainly would never think to impose unification where it isn’t desired or practical.

We forcefully reunited with our sucessionist South and it was bloody and awful. We are better off for doing that, I think, but we haven’t completely united the thinking of the North and South.

Depends on which side is doing the uniting. The world does not need an enlarged Stalinist Korea. Taiwanese are deathly afraid of PRC reprisal. They like their democracy and would prefer to keep it.

Hong Kong hasn't been all that affected by the politics of it since re-unification in 1997. Yes, they gripe and complain and demonstrate. But that just proves the point. They're free enough to do that. Hong Kong is far from a police state of the old Maoist design. Cell phones and the Internet have changed all that.

Watching a discussion of technique on the PBS new show.

Recommended: Good cop...bad cop.

Good cop...a very beautiful, adoring, smart young woman. She would butter him up...get him cooking...stick the fork in when done. If his ass drags...send in the bad cop.

Bad cop...is a 50+ year-old male...respectable. Bad cop would lay it on the line...make demands...grant concessions.

We can’t torture him. We can deprive him of sleep. We can keep his lights on. We can interrogate without a break.

What do we want? His money. His knowledge of insurrection activities. There is a missing airman from Desert Storm. A few other odds and ends.

I say cut to the chase. Find out what he’s afraid of and terrorize him. I think he understands terror better than anything else.

An official from the Department of Homeland Security, who has more than a passing semblance to Robert DeNiro, is hereby presented with the latest terrorist watch list.

What Saturday Night Live has to do with this serious topic is beyond me.... :laugh:

http://www.jillsjokeline.com/snl.html

:laugh: :clap:

Oh my GOD that was hilarious, Virgule! Nice find. I've already sent the link out to about a billion friends. Ha ha ha.

hahahhah... :laugh: :laugh:

credit for that?

That’s about the funniest thing they’ve done this century.

DeNiro is great!:laugh:

as of today...500 of our soldiers have been killed in Iraq. A lot of them in accidents.

Isn’t that a hoot.

did Iraq because he felt like it? He better before the election. His flunkys are trying to put a good face on it.

I’m thinking they shouldn’t try so hard. Look what it got Martha Stewart. Shouldn’t be very hard for Cogoleeza and Powell to get jobs after the next election. Bush won’t need one...he already rich. Rumsfeld will have a big problem. He’s not a people person. Back to the ranch for him.

Time for a new sheriff in Dodge. Hahaha.

The fat lady hasn't sung yet......

In a bizarre twist of fate, one of the actors who helped Demi Moore prepare for her role in G.I. Jane, himself an ex Navy Seal, was one of the 4 civilians killed in Faludja the other day.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=12&u=/ap/20040402/ap_on_re_mi_ea/civilian_deaths_14

Originally posted by Brainchild
... Shouldn’t be very hard for Cogoleeza and Powell to get jobs after the next election.

.... They can do their own talk show.. Condaleeza could be the new Oprah and Powell can be the new Dr. Phil..
Condaleeza can give exclusive interviews of "life behind the white house", as long as she doesn't have to put her hand on the bible.

Bush won’t need one...he already rich.
Now, he can be a full time actor, and actually get an award for playing a president.. "Live from NY, its Saturday Night!" ..


Rumsfeld will have a big problem. He’s not a people person.... .. Vice Presidential Candidate..

those Al Qeda bozos have stopped picking on the U.S. Hahaha.

If I were them, I try to take out Tom Ridge. Now that would be a statement.

On the news they are reporting our busses and trains are easy targets.

There are at least a thousand muggings a day on the train and subway systems of this country. A coupla bombs won't even make a dent.

Originally posted by Brainchild
... If I were them, I try to take out Tom Ridge. Now that would be a statement.
what statement would that be?... That if they were US citizens, they vote Democrat! :laugh:


I think Jar jar should run for presidency ... :agree:

Originally posted by Virgule
There are at least a thousand muggings a day on the train and subway systems of this country. A coupla bombs won't even make a dent.

The easiest way for them to get on our nerves, is to jack up the prices for Taxi rides in the city..

Those people are going about it all wrong.. They have to understand that "death, war, terrorism etc." was the foundation of America. This country was built on these things..
The founding fathers left England to cause death, war and destruction on this Native American land.
American's have been playing mind terrorism with each other since we landed on these soils .. (REMEMBER the Salem Witch Trials). We managed to kill each other via psychological fears of "witches" for fuck sake!!

U.S. prospered on creating and selling war machines during the great world wars and continues to this day. So the more hostile countries wants to use bombs & guns, the more we make, the more we sell.

Al queda and any hostile people towards America should understand that we created the concept of "THere is no such thing as bad publicity for business".. Each time "terrorism" is uttered or carried out... They should listen closely and they will hear the AMerican cash registers going "chii ching"..
For every 1 man that will yell Jihad, there will be 100 people buying duct tapes.. :laugh:

They should learn from the Japanese, their motto "if you can't beat them, BUY them"..
After WW II the japanese were striped of their military power.
But instead of crying about it.. They created the company SONY, Sanrio, Honda, Toyota.
Then came gadgets, electronics, fluffy cat toys, squid chips and everything that now, we as American's cannot survive without.
Take away our SOny playstations, CD/DVD players, Plasma TV's, Cars, Kareoke, cellphones, PDA's etc.. and anarchy WILL ensue, faster than any terrorism that alqueda could possibly imagine.

Al queda and hostile countries towards the U.S. has to accept the reality that .... :ohman:
"Dude!! YOU CAN'T HUSTLE A HUSTLER ! ".

Great insight, Joy. The American war machine has forgotten more about dispensing terror than Jihad Johnny will ever know. Those amateurs in Fallujah are about to find that out.

rational mind. Face it, US was flabbergasted after 911. Outraged even. They caught us flatfooted and to cover his chagrin, Bush took out Iraq. He was smart to take out Iraq, too. It sent a message Spain, Britain, or anyone else in the “coalition” couldn’t send. Fuck with us and we will destroy an important part of Islam. I may not scare a terrorist...but it scares the legitimate Islamic governments to death. We now have them “discouraging” terrorism...or at least not openly supporting it. That’s as good as a goal in anyone’s game. It’s just not very good.

What you are saying about USA and America is a perversion of the wisdom of our forefathers...who were, in fact, geniuses. You can put any face on it you want, but we haven’t lived up to the hopes of our forefathers.

We are not doing so hot with those playstations, plasma tvs, and pdas. What our government does best for us, is keep our food supply safe. Take THAT away and you will see what we really have here. We’ll do fine without electronics...take away our fast food and we will fall apart faster than a Chinese running shoe. Fat and sleepy is the way or America. Skinny and alert is not so good for us.

best form of terrorism ... keep american's fat and lumpy.. THe attack of Giant Marshmallows..

Lets face it... laziness is the worse form of death.

True. I have always maintained that McDonalds French Fries were a Weapon of Mass Destruction. That is a form of terror Osama can not comprehend. We will get our revenge by making those Iraqis buy and eat Big Macs, as we slowly kill them off with heart disease.

How's THAT for terror.

Death by chocolate.. "sweet revenge"..

Death by Chocolate:
This seven layer chocolate cake, chocolate mousse, and cocoa meringue extravaganza is the ultimate demise.

By the way, Death By Chocolate was invented by chef Marcel Desaulniers, who runs and co-owns the Trellis Restaurant in Williamsburg, Virginia.

http://www.visitwilliamsburg.com/trellis_restaurant.htm

http://www.thetrellis.com/

I've eaten there many times, and by all accounts, I ought to be dead by now. However, I do manage to get up in the morning to live another day simply for the pleasure of eating there on rare occasion.

chocolate?

I predict after the US pulls out of Iraq, the country will quickly degenerate into tribal warfare, cival war, and chaos.

The real loosers...SUV owners.

Originally posted by Brainchild
I wonder if you COULD kill someone with chocolate?

Sure, just eat 10 pounds of it everyday for 6 months. If the cholesterol doesn't kill you, the diabetes will. In fact, chocolate is loaded with toxins - to dogs. Neverr give a dog chocolate to munch on. He'll be dead in 48 hours.

I‘m ashamed of those GI girls. Skanky!

I wonder what those Iraqi guys said to those girls to get them going like that?

Iraq is a hell-hole...brings out the worst.

You should tell your children ”That’s why we’re over there.”

for the americans here, i noticed you stopped officially fighting each other this day in 1865.
Surrender of the last confederate troops at shreveport, louisiana

thats 50,769 days , or aprox 7,253 weeks ago.

The thing that fasinated me most about the civil war, was the invention of armoured warships. I made a 24 inch version of the monitor once out of sheet tin, it even floated, its demise came about, that it rusted into nothingness in my back garden............

Neil Young was right all along, "rust never sleeps"

should be a fascinating study. One of the first ”modern” wars, it was wholesale slaughter. So bad for us, we are just now, 150 years later starting to be able to look at it without prejudice.

In a way, civil war is more cruel than any other kind. Not that any war is good.

That war was intensively idealistic. It brought out the best of us, and the best of us died in numbers so large that we cannot comprehend slaughter on that scale even on chicken farms today.

The Bismarck was sunk 23,011 days ago today 27may1941
Apr 2300 died on that ship.
The economy of war is interesting, attrition.
The need to sink this ship, costing the German economy alot of funds and lives, the gamble in war, is that such a ship had the potential to bring ten-fold or one hundred-fold its of destruction in tonnage and lives through its technical advantage in controlled engagements that were in its favor.

It nearly got away, except for a lucky "winging" of a rudder.

The Bismarck despite its power, and obvious superiority to any of its opponents, was as Achilles...

No mater how powerful we get, must keep an eye on our health.
Protecting our feet is a good start.

warfare concept. Not like Great Britain. Bismark was doomed from the moment it’s keel was laid.

Over 800 dead in Iraq, now.

Eleven Chinese road workers will killed in their tents by the Taliban in Afghanistan today. Just machine gunned to death because they're trying to build roads that ordinary people can use in that country.

They would have known who Ziyi is, and may even have been fans.

What a waste......

On a lighter note:

This morning a woman was arrested at San Francisco airport attempting to board a flight to New York with a compass and protractor. Authorities believe she is a member of the radical teachers terrorist group Al-gebra. She was booked into San Francisco city jail for possessing weapons of Math Instruction.

On another note. A Korean guy is gonna be beheaded by terrorists today. I saw him on the news the other day and he seemed to be upset about it.

I think beheading is a humane way to murder someone. The murder is over very quickly. Most of us think it’s scarry, but really, it would be better than bleeding to death, or being beaten to death. It looks like it would be grim, but all murder is grim. From the standpoint of the person being murdered, it’s probably the best way to be murdered.

Notice they don’t behead any women?

Originally posted by Brainchild
On another note. A Korean guy is gonna be beheaded by terrorists today. I saw him on the news the other day and he seemed to be upset about it.

I think beheading is a humane way to murder someone. The murder is over very quickly. Most of us think it’s scarry, but really, it would be better than bleeding to death, or being beaten to death. It looks like it would be grim, but all murder is grim. From the standpoint of the person being murdered, it’s probably the best way to be murdered.

Notice they don’t behead any women?

I would agree that a clean chop is a quick way to check out, but these guys don't employ that technique. Kinda of like a sawing motion ....... which is not too comfy, IMO.

supply, the head is dead. They can saw all they want. I think the sawing part is more for them...and for us. These guys are pretty shrewd. They have been practicing the technique since the time of Moses.

Yea...from the beginning.

Too bad China is too busy terrorizing Taiwan. We could use the fresh bodies. They are crazy enough too. They would give those terrorists some of their own suicide bomb medicine.

You would think 11 of them being gunned down would incite a little bit of nationalism.

the so called "terrorists" seem rather cowardly, they hide thier faces from thier god ( no respect given, then no respect due to them in thier heaven ) while takeing a life in his name.

in some respects, these media events appear to be carried out,more as an initiation for those participating.

Don't be too surprised if Korea sends ROK Tigers down that way. They are the elite special forces unit of South Korea and can teach those terrorists a thing or two about hand-to-hand combat.

Those boys don't need saws to take your head off.

South Korea should send even more soldiers than they planned. Then the message would be quite clear, provoke us and see our wrath. Unlike the pussy Spanish.

quite simple.

Everytime they behead anyone. Kill 1000 Iraq citizens.

After about 1 more...those Iraqi’s would be ratting those beheaders out for us...and quickly.

We just don’t seem to be able to get down over there.

Originally posted by Chinese Democracy
. Unlike the pussy Spanish.

they haven't learned anything from thier own history
"tolerate this, then the children will be next"

iraqi........... seems its just a local fad to be a terrorist
they are kind of like rockstars to them
we had beatlemania, they have beheading's.

AN OSAMA JOKE

After his death, Osama bin Laden went to paradise.

There he was greeted by George Washington, who proceeded to slap him across the face and yell at him, "How dare you try to destroy the nation I helped conceive!"

Patrick Henry approached and punched Osama in the nose and shouted, "You wanted to end our liberties but you failed."

James Madison entered, kicked Osama and said, "This is why I allowed our government to provide for the common defense!"

Thomas Jefferson came in and proceeded to beat Osama many times with a long cane and said, "It was evil men like you that provided me the inspiration to pen the Declaration of Independence!"

These beatings and thrashings continued as John Rudolph, James Monroe and 66 other early Americans came in and unleashed their anger on the Muslim terrorist leader.

As Osama lay bleeding and writhing in unbearable pain an Angel appeared.

Bin Laden wept in pain and said to the Angel, "This is not what you promised me."

The Angel replied, "I told you there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you up here. What did you think I said?"

Military 101 Instructional Humor. Rules to live by........


1. "Aim towards the Enemy". - Instruction printed on U.S. Rocket
Launcher

2. "When the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not our friend." - U.S. Army

3. "Cluster bombing from B-52s is very, very accurate. The bombs are guaranteed to always hit the ground." - U.S.A.F. Ammo Troop

4. "If the enemy is in range, so are you." - Infantry Journal

5. "A slipping gear could let your M203 grenade launcher fire when you least expect it. That would make you quite unpopular in what's left of your unit." - Army's magazine of preventive maintenance

6. "It is generally inadvisable to eject directly over the area you
just bombed." - U.S. Air Force Manual

7. "Try to look unimportant; they may be low on ammo." - Infantry
Journal

8. "Tracers work both ways." - U.S. Army Ordnance

9. "Five-second fuses only last three seconds." - Infantry Journal

10. "Bravery is being the only one who knows you're afraid." - Col.
David Hackworth

11. "If your attack is going too well, you're probably walking into an ambush." - Infantry Journal

12. "No combat-ready unit has ever passed inspection." - Joe Gay

13. "Any ship can be a minesweeper ... once." - Anonymous

14. "Never tell the Platoon Sergeant you have nothing to do." – Unknown Army Recruit

15. "Don't draw fire; it irritates the people around you." - Your
Buddies

16. "If you see a bomb technician running, try to keep up with him." – U.S. Ammo Troop

A dramatic video of a failed ambush attack on a VIP convoy in Iraq. Caution, lots of swearing.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39776

Wow that was pretty intense. The explosion of the grenade didn't seem all that big, but considering the contents of the grenade could prove catastrophic if they were standing outside their vehicles.

Are those vehicles bullet proof?

Yes, they are bullet proof, but they are not grenade proof or bomb proof.

is that the war isn’t over.

That’s a lot of activity for just Bagdad. How much activity over the whole country?

50 cal. machine gun rounds will go through just about anything. I don’t think they can penetrate tanks, but there are things that can. Depleted uranium slugs go through tanks like a knife through butter.

A hilarious modern rendition of the Frank Sinatra classic - Strangers In The Night.

Strangers On My Flight (http://www.beecy.net/frank/)

:laugh:

ahahhaahha :laugh::lolsign:...
Now thats somethin a New Jersey person would sing out loud on a plane in Newark .. :laugh:

Here's a hilarious political cartoon from an outfit called JibJab, sung to the tune of Dixie. :grin:

http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/content/goodtobeindc/frameset.html

Did someone already post the "This Land Is My Land" flash by the same people? That one is way funnier than this one.

Yeah, it's the same outfit. The first one was funnier but this one is better done.

Iraqi boondoggle is to make Iraq a precinct of Los Angelos.

Let the thin blue line of the LAPD take care of the insurgents. Those boys are rough.

Originally posted by Brainchild
Iraqi boondoggle is to make Iraq a precinct of Los Angelos.

Let the thin blue line of the LAPD take care of the insurgents. Those boys are rough.

If you think Abu Ghraib is bad, wait 'til you see the lock up at LAX. Panties on your head are the least of your problems. :D

how to make a suicide vest. Very interesting, but not very funny. Suff from Home Depot makes a pretty effective nightmare.

Ball bearing shrapnel.

Good thing those Iraqi terrorists only work one at a time. In squads, they could win the war.

We should make sure our guys never clump together like that again. Eat, sleep, and go to the bathroom in sheet-steel cubicles.

All you Iraqis....GET OUT THERE AND VOTE!!!

Don’t ask why. You’re to do or die! Thug intimidation is the oldest trick in the book.

It may be your last chance.

Originally posted by Brainchild
Iraqi boondoggle is to make Iraq a precinct of Los Angelos.

Let the thin blue line of the LAPD take care of the insurgents. Those boys are rough.
ahahahahaha :laugh: .. I can just imagine those terrorist uttering those Rodny King words.. "Can't we all just get along?" ..

A hilarious video of what can happen in the middle of the sea.

http://www.pajamahedeen.com/media/USS_Montana.wmv

Originally posted by Virgule
A hilarious video of what can happen in the middle of the sea.

http://www.pajamahedeen.com/media/USS_Montana.wmv
haahahahah .. :laugh:

GUNNER PALACE. Now this is supposed to be the documentary of documentaries on the Iraq War. The Trailer is really interesting.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/gunner_palace.html

seems like the Iraqi terrorists have decided to focus more on killing themselves and other Iraqis...than on our soldiers. That’s what I call progress.

Civil war coming?